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May 25, 2011

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Mehul Kamdar

(1)

Some very interesting ideas - I think a modular system that combines a food processor, clothes washing drum and a battery charger would be an excellent product for many people. You could pedal away while watching television and get work done as well, while saving on electricity costs and burning calories. There's something waiting for an entrepreneur to make a success of . . .

w.r.parker

(2)

hi Kris -
Very nice treatise on a niche subject . . i can *humbly* suggest one
more *direct - driven* arrangement at www.juicycle.com - the "
adult-height, arms-reach, multi-kitchen tool prime-mover device" -
developed in California. Although 'wheat grass' juicing is the format,
the typical hand-cranked, kitchen appliance is a low-tech,
"plain bearing" system, and usually iron-on-iron surfaces.
These bearings do not wear especially well when driven from a single
vector, like in the chain-drive illustrated on your page. . . hence
the "steel finger" drive of the type described as 'juicycle' .
. leg-powered, imitating a hand-cranking motion . . low tech
with 'clutching-and-breakaway' safety features are included . . plans available there.
thanks,
wrparker

Peter Silva

(3)

When discussing use of DC power to avoid losses due to added electronics needed, the article states ''there are no DC-laptops'' for example.

The opposite is true, there are no AC laptops. Invariably, there is a power brick/transformer which converts residential AC (220 or 110) into DC, between 14 and 18 VDC, depending on the laptop model. So one merely needs to now the output voltage of the power brick to determine how to feed a laptop.

Kris De Decker

(4)

@3: Thanks. Seems like a switch to a DC-network would make a lot of sense...

Kris De Decker

(5)

Lloyd Alter at Treehugger notes that the pedal-powered hydraulic log splitter (first illustration) is a silly idea more simply done by hand: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200316859_200316859

I leave it there since I think the illustration captures the idea of the story very well.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/05/the-forgotten-future-of-pedal-power.php

KJMClark

(6)

Drat! Peter beat me to the punch! I've never seen an AC laptop. For that matter, I've never seen an AC desktop computer. In both cases, the AC has to be converted to DC to operate the device. It seems like there aren't many devices that work better with AC power. Just about everything takes the AC and converts it back to DC for operation. I think there are some motors that are designed to run on direct AC - fans come to mind, maybe compressors. It pretty much has to be something that can run at a constant speed, since the AC current alternates at a stable 60Hz.

matthias

(7)

With todays cost of photovoltaics it makes more sense to build solar power than pedal power.
Wiring a small house with DC is possible and done sometimes like for camping or on boats. There are 12V tools or adapters for everything needed in a household.
Today AC is used because it is easy to transform. If the Voltage is doubled there is only half of the current for the same power. Thus wires can be thinner and transmission losses can be reduced. Long time was not possible to transform one DC voltage to another. So a motor generator set has to be used. With todays electronically DC/DC converters the grid could be built with DC.
On the other side a pedal powered generator could produce 230V AV directly using an asynchronous generator. the transmission and pole number of the generator would have to be set so that a convenient and efficient pedal speed can be achieved .

Kris De Decker

(8)

I don't think solar and pedal power are incompatible. On the contrary, pedal power could deliver the base load for solar (and wind), being a solution to the problem of energy storage. If you are prepared to backup your solar system with some pedalling, you will need to install less solar panels and smaller batteries.

Juliano Pappalardo

(9)

I and some friends are reading this usefull post we intend to build something, thanks from Brazil :)

Seth

(10)

Is a DC generator the best way to link up multiple pedalers or can they be combined to power one machine mechanically without the loss of electric energy transfer?

John Trask

(11)

I think that there are simpler and more energy efficient tools at least for splitting wood, namely axes, mauls, and wedges.

Sandpine

(12)

Splitting wood using pedal power may not be the best use of the technology BUT you don't need an _adult_ to do the pedaling. The wood splitting chores could be relegated to children/youth leaving adults free for other tasks.

Tim M

(13)

"Human power is available 24 hours per day, is not affected by changes in the weather"

Let's test this. Come down here to South Texas, first in January, and measure how much pedal power you can produce in an hour. Then, come back in August and re-perform the test. I think you'll find that the weather will have indeed affected your power output (as well as your health).

clarence hale

(14)

hi-

from a commentator over at http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2011/06/profligacies-of-scale.html came the referral to an online pdf for pedal power in work, leisure and transportation at http://www.zetatalk3.com/docs/Pedal_Power/Pedal_Power_In_Work_Leisure_And_Transportation_1977.pdf the scan is only of medium quality but sufficient for reading. some of the illustrations and pictures did not scan well.thought this would be of interest to your readers.

clarence

Kris De Decker

(15)

Clarence: thanks. I should warn readers with slow internet connections that it is a heavy download.

Tim: pedal power is better suited for cooler climates and cooler periods of the year, that is true. But the issue could be solved, for instance by moving to the basement of an existing house, or by designing buildings that are naturally cooled so that the heat stays out.

Seth: I don't know. I hope a more tech-savvy reader can answer your question.

Seven

(16)

I would LOVE to see someone incorporate a Fresnel lens to boil water then attach that motion to the pedals and viola a sun powered bike...a sun tracker could be used to get continuous power. Alas I have neither the time or resources to persue.

Tyler August

(17)

Seth: I'm no mechanic, but I suspect something equivalent to the differential gear in your car (driven backwards, pedal power to the wheels) would serve to join two slightly-off rotary sources. I'm almost certain you could rig something up; or you might find for your application a hydraulic transmission system works better; depending on what's doing you can get lower losses than electric that way. (and, again, depending what you're doing and what resources you have, it can be easier to home-brew)

Kris:
After reading this post, I went looking for "Pedal Power for Work and Transportation" in the local library-- and found a wealth of 70s era 'appropriate tech' resources. Our library is awesome and I thank you for helping me realise that.

Scott

(18)

I found this posting (on a humor website) which I think illustrates your pedal power article nicely.

http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/09/19/white-trash-repairs-laundry-day-is-also-workout-day/

Kris De Decker

(19)

Full plans for a pedal powered juice maker:
http://www.notechmagazine.com/2011/11/when-low-tech-goes-ikea.html

Philip DeVerna

(20)

Very interesting article. I am doing a paper for school and was wondering; everything I have been reading on bicycle generators always involve a stationary bike. Does anyone know if there is a generator that one could us while using the bicycle in its normal capacity? Thanks a lot

drs

(21)

Look at the thermodynamics: a human is a heat engine converting biomass (high quality food) to work at maybe 25% efficiency, which is then used to pedal and drive machinery or batteries.

Conversely, a steam engine can burn biomass (anything) (or take heat from solar, geothermal, or storage), at 20-33% efficiency (depending on size, bigger's usually better) to then drive machinery or make electricity.

The steam engine/power plant takes more capital, whereas humans come with society. OTOH it's a lot less picky and takes less labor.

1.2 billion pedallers -- yeah, sounds about right. Another approach is to look at power usage (10 kW for the average American, counting all domestic power use), which at 100 Watts per person is like having 100 mechanical slaves per person.

Scott

(22)

Found another great example of modern pedal power being put to good use: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/12/mobile-sharpening-rig.html

ken hargesheimer

(23)

All computers, internally, operate on 12 v. They can be alternated very easily to by pass AC and operate directly on 12 v. Use a solar panel to charge the battery if necessary. free info at minifarms@gmail.com

nick hein

(24)

We've built and refined a simple pedal generator that can be built entirely from salvaged materials in about 30minutes, and will provide plug-in power to any 120VAC appliance that can run on DC as well. By testing we have found that this includes TVs, lights, power tools, water pumps, vacuum cleaners, blenders. I've got a picture at this link:
http://PublicFiles/PedalGenerator/2009_1010_RollerGenerator.jpg
A 120VDC motor from a discarded treadmill is mounted to a piece of channel that is bolted to a bike training stand, in place of the resistance unit. All that was necessary was to drill the motor mount to the channel, and the channel to mound to the stand. If you leave the flywheel on the motor you'll only get about 30V, we used a holesaw to cut the center out of the flywheel and turn it down to make a 2" dia roller which gives us about 120V when driven by a 27"/700C bike wheel. The motor can be wired directly to an outlet and regular appliances plugged in. We haven't blown or burned anything up yet, and we've tried quite a few things. The advantage of this approach is it's quick, and doesn't require any modification of the bike or the appliance that you plug in to. I built this one myself using only a drill press in 30 minutes. (A friend later made the roller with a holesaw and small lathe.)

marcos bendrao

(25)

Is it possible to generate electrical power in a sustainable and efficient way on a "mobile" bike (as opposed to a fixed one that I see on the pictures)? It's probably a very basic question but I'd really appreciate any insights you might want to share. please feel free to email me: marcos.bendrao@gmail.com.
thanks!

Kris De Decker

(26)

Another interesting pedal powered machine using direct mechanical transmission:

http://www.notechmagazine.com/2012/02/pedal-powered-wool-carding-machine.html

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